[leslie50]

This is my first time to use TEG and feel it is a good place to get some help for my XP pro problem. I am having trouble with very slow booting on my Fujitsu Lifebook P7230. It is a fairly new laptop and I had Fujitsu load XP instead of Vista before delivery. I am not sure of when the problem started but soon after receiving this laptop I began to get slower boots. Fujitsu tech support was limited in this area. I did do a complete restore and now having problem again. I have done some diagnostics with msconfig and found the slow down comes when I ‘Load System Services’ which was the last diagnostic box I checked. Booting takes 5 min. and 25 seconds. The desktop appears after about 1 min, but no icons, then after another 3 min and 40 sec the icons begin loading. At one point I could boot up in normal time with just 2 services not loaded (Windows Management Instumentation and Windows Management Instumentation Driver Extensions) but not being very tech savvy I found out that is not a good thing to do. Does anyone have any idea what might be happening or what I can do. I would appreciate any input. Thanks.

XP Pro
SP2
1 G Ram
60 G HD
AVG
Spyblaster
Adaware
Abexo Registry cleaner

[quietman7]

Welcome to TEG leslie50

If your computer seems to be slow, read Slow Computer/Browser? Check here first; it may not be malware. There are reasons for slowness besides malware - i.e. disk fragmentation, disk errors, corrupt system files, too many startup programs, unnecessary services running, not enough RAM, dirty hardware components, etc. As your system gets older it becomes filled with more files/programs and has a natural tendency to slow down so cleaning and regular maintenance is essential.
Note: If you are not on a local area network (LAN), disable the Workstation Service which creates and maintains client network connections to remote servers and that should also help to speed up your boot time.

[mph]

open the command prompt [ all programs,accessories ]

copy and paste in

eventvwr.msc

press enter

that will open the event viewer

on the left hand side of event viewer,click system,on the right hand side look for errors,right click on an error,click properties,to copy an error description to the clipboard click the icon under the arrows [near the top right hand side ],paste the error descriptions since the last [ current ] boot up in your next post

[Guitar Man]

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I did do a complete restore and now having problem again

System restore will not speed up your system. It's main purpose is to revert the registry to a time prior to an event that may have caused instability on your computer. Period.

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too many startup programs

Other than heavy fragmentation, too many startups in the startup tab of msconfig will lead to slow boot times. One quick way to determine if you have OEM "value added" software on your system is to count the number of system tray icons loading up next to the clock. How many do you have ? can you identify them by hovering your mouse over them ?

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unnecessary services running

Here's another area worth looking into. And unless you are at an intermediate comfort level in dealing with these, I will not offer advice on reducing these. There are well known sites that specialize with giving out detailed info on each one of them, and suggestions on how to reduce them to a point that you will still be able to function correctly.

Where have you been so far, in getting your info on services ?
What startup mode (in msconfig>general tab) are you running presently ?

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Abexo Registry cleaner

Where did you get your recommendation (and download link) for this application ? I've never heard of this before.

Replies to these questions (and quietman's suggestions above) would be appreciated. Thank you.

[Da.One]

Abexo Registy cleaner is legitiment software. I think he has the free version. The free version is no longer supported or updated by the developers. I used it for awhile and it seems to work fine. But i would get a version that is updated constantly.

[Guitar Man]

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Abexo Registy cleaner is legitiment software. I think he has the free version.

If it is a registy cleaner, I'll have no part of it ! Even if it's legitiment...

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I think he has the free version

Until we get a reply, this is a guess.

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I used it for awhile and it seems to work fine. But i would get a version that is updated constantly.

When you're dealing with the registry, and a 3rd party application, you better be sure it works !
1) Unless you have a backup plan or a means to restore changes made to the registry, you may end up with an unbootable system.
2) "updated constantly" does not apply to this. You're not dealing with an anti-virus application or malware scanner that relies on updates to a definitions database. Even though I have used RegSeeker for years in a beta version (and have had no issues), it would not be on my system if there were no measures in place to reverse actions taken with it.

Can we wait for a second post from the topic starter before assuming things needlessly ?

[leslie50]

Guitar Man, on Jan 31 2008, 05:56 PM, said:

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I did do a complete restore and now having problem again

System restore will not speed up your system. It's main purpose is to revert the registry to a time prior to an event that may have caused instability on your computer. Period.

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too many startup programs

Other than heavy fragmentation, too many startups in the startup tab of msconfig will lead to slow boot times. One quick way to determine if you have OEM "value added" software on your system is to count the number of system tray icons loading up next to the clock. How many do you have ? can you identify them by hovering your mouse over them ?

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unnecessary services running

Here's another area worth looking into. And unless you are at an intermediate comfort level in dealing with these, I will not offer advice on reducing these. There are well known sites that specialize with giving out detailed info on each one of them, and suggestions on how to reduce them to a point that you will still be able to function correctly.

Where have you been so far, in getting your info on services ?
What startup mode (in msconfig>general tab) are you running presently ?

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Abexo Registry cleaner

Where did you get your recommendation (and download link) for this application ? I've never heard of this before.

Replies to these questions (and quietman's suggestions above) would be appreciated. Thank you.

Thanks for yours Guitar Man, sorry for wrong choice of word, by 'restore' I meant 'recovery' with factory disks. By the way I went to do a sys restore a while ago and there were no restore points strange??
I do not have many start up programs, there are 13 icons in my tray, ie bluetooth, avg, fujitsu driver update, shock sensor etc. yes I can identify them.

I am not very familiar with 'services' other than my trial and error that made for a faster boot when I unchecked 'Windows Mgr Instrumentation' and 'Windows Mgmt Instrumentation Driver Extensions' which made the boot about a minute for a while. I havent been to any site for info on services. I am back to running on Normal msconfig but did try several "Diagnostics'

I got the Abexo from a google search, they have a free version.

I hope these are answers to your questions, I realize I should have typed them after your questions, sorry it wouldn't let me cut and copy. Would be glad for any advice.

This post has been edited by leslie50: 31 January 2008 - 09:50 PM

[leslie50]

mph, on Jan 31 2008, 01:30 PM, said:

open the command prompt [ all programs,accessories ]

copy and paste in

eventvwr.msc

press enter

that will open the event viewer

on the left hand side of event viewer,click system,on the right hand side look for errors,right click on an error,click properties,to copy an error description to the clipboard click the icon under the arrows [near the top right hand side ],paste the error descriptions since the last [ current ] boot up in your next post

thanks for the help I am getting here at TEG. I did as you instructed except for pasting errors. There were numerous so didnt know which to send?? So I did a reboot to catch newest errors. The reboot took well over 5 minutes again. However I didnt see any errors or warnings in the 'system' for that (boot) time frame? I would like to add that I was going to do a system restore but there were no restore points, strange aye? so let me know any sugg.s you have to offer, thanks again

[mph]

did you run chkdsk /r

open the command prompt,copy and paste in

start %temp%


press enter


delete the files in that folder


http://www.computerh...es/ch000225.htm

[Mudhi]

I'm tired of guessing, so I offer free remote assistant, and of course that you have to trust this stranger.

[leslie50]

mph, on Feb 1 2008, 08:25 AM, said:

did you run chkdsk /r

open the command prompt,copy and paste in

start %temp%


press enter


delete the files in that folder


http://www.computerh...es/ch000225.htm

Thanks again. I did a scandisk and no apparent problem. I didnt have time to read all before it booted up. It is still more than 5 min to boot. I deleted the temp files beforehand, all were deleted except one called WCESlog. I tried to attach but couldn't.

PS Do you know why I have no Sys Restore point?

[Da.One]

leslie50, on Feb 1 2008, 09:28 PM, said:

PS Do you know why I have no Sys Restore point?

You probably didnt have system restore enabled. To enable it right click on my computer, go to system restore tab.

[leslie50]

Da.One, on Feb 1 2008, 09:38 PM, said:

leslie50, on Feb 1 2008, 09:28 PM, said:

PS Do you know why I have no Sys Restore point?

You probably didnt have system restore enabled. To enable it right click on my computer, go to system restore tab.

The System Restore is on but thanks for the input anyway.

[Guitar Man]

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Do you know why I have no Sys Restore point?

Are you running low on disk space ?

Why are my Restore Points missing?

[mph]

http://www.majorgeek...st86_d4226.html

copy image to disk or burn ISO

boot from the cd


test for at least a couple of hours

[leslie50]

mph, on Feb 2 2008, 07:26 AM, said:

http://www.majorgeek...st86_d4226.html

copy image to disk or burn ISO

boot from the cd


test for at least a couple of hours

Tested for over 3 hours with no errors. Just for the record this laptop is only 4 months old. When It was shipped to me I had Fujitsu remove Vista and load XP, could this problem be related to that change? Also when booting the desktop comes up in less than a minute but icons take another 4 min.? I am still open for new ideas and helps, thanks for what you have offered thus far.

[YLstang]

leslie50, on Jan 31 2008, 08:36 PM, said:

I do not have many start up programs, there are 13 icons in my tray, ie bluetooth, avg, fujitsu driver update, shock sensor etc. yes I can identify them.

The number of items here is not necessarily the number of programs/processes running in the back ground.After a fresh reboot without opening anything and everything is loaded, Open Task Manager and look at the number of processes running, it will show in the lower left hand corner. You will find a lot of programs running in the back ground that will have no icons in the task bar. You can't stop all of these as quite a few of them is needed by Windows just to run, but quite a few can be stopped from starting up which will speed your boot process.
Some examples of programs that will slow down your boot process, that starts and run in back ground is Adobe, Real Player, Quick Time, 3rd party programs.
I would suggest a Start Up Control program such as this one Mike Linn's Start Up Control Panel With this program (very small uses very little resources) you can uncheck all programs it shows under the various tabs. Don't uncheck any Security Apps. If you open a file that needs any program you have stopped, it will still open and run, then stop when you close it. Not only will it boot faster, but with less programs running in the back ground the PC will be more responsive also. If you have any thing you want to start and run all the time, just leave that program checked.
And the 13 icons in your tray, if not using are running at start up and all the time, they can be unchecked also, but will still auto open when needed, and close when finished, this will also help speed boot times.

[ur3838]

Are there any possibilities of AntSpyware or AV scanning in the background when you boot up your computer?

[managed]

Do My Computer > Manage > Device Manager, any ? or ! signs in the right hand window ? If any there tell us what text is on the same line(s).

[Guitar Man]

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I do not have many start up programs, there are 13 icons in my tray, ie bluetooth, avg, fujitsu driver update, shock sensor etc. yes I can identify them.

Please do. 13 icons are way too many IMO, especially since this is a notebook. They are historically slower at booting up (compared to desktops), and you most probably have a bunch of "value added" 3rd party applications that were included with the OS, by Fujitsu.

Do yourself a favour and limit your startups to real-time scanners (firewall, a/v, malware scanner), and either get rid of the useless 3rd party applications you'll never use or that can be called up manually when required by the application (as Butch mentioned above). As he also noted, there are hidden background services that do not need to be installed if this is a standalone system (not part of a LAN).

Start with the list of systray icons, then the startup tab list in msconfig. After that, we can go deeper into reducing running processes, other services and drivers that load up in the prefetch folder (without clearing that folder).

Butch's suggestion of Startup Control Panel is also worthwhile as an install. I would add to that, his other application, StartupMonitor (link in my sig), in order to warn you of any future installs that want to include an entry in the startup tab of msconfig.